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Uncorrelated's avatar

This data is in dire need of visualization, so I did it for you:

https://x.com/uncorrelated_/status/1948664718542999609

Lyman Stone's avatar

You should correct the statement that I said something false. I claimed they began marrying off at 12, pre-menarche. You show that menarche in ancient Rome was around 14. The Bronski citation yields a figure showing that 12-13% of Roman women were married at age 12, and 25% by age 14. Thus, my claim that they were marrying off lots of girls before puberty and starting at 12 was exactly correct, and you have proven it correct. My argument was not that all societies married people off so young: indeed my actual view, articulated elsewhere (ex. https://lymanstone.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-christians-mobs-moms ) is that ancient Rome had a very unusual family system. In fact, we have contemporary Greek writers commenting on how weird it was to them that Romans married SO early! Rome was weirdly young! Of the two societies you note as having immature marriage, one of them is indeed Roman elites! My claim was perfectly sensible!

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