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Aaron's avatar

Literary records of girls getting married at 12 will be skewed toward the elite, which I already conceded to have an average age at marriage for girls of below 15. Also keep in mind that, even though menarche probably occured, on average, when the girl was 13, that would still mean that something like 15% occured when the girl was 12 if the distribution was normal and the SD was about 1. And, also, errors regarding a girl's knowledge of her own age, or the author's knowledge of her age, would be subject to error, which would probably overestimate the number of these cases.

The fact that Roman law allowed for early female marriage does not provide much evidence that marriage at the minimum age was common, since early marriage was legal in (as far as I know) every country before the twentieth century.

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You should correct the statement that I said something false. I claimed they began marrying off at 12, pre-menarche. You show that menarche in ancient Rome was around 14. The Bronski citation yields a figure showing that 12-13% of Roman women were married at age 12, and 25% by age 14. Thus, my claim that they were marrying off lots of girls before puberty and starting at 12 was exactly correct, and you have proven it correct. My argument was not that all societies married people off so young: indeed my actual view, articulated elsewhere (ex. https://lymanstone.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-christians-mobs-moms ) is that ancient Rome had a very unusual family system. In fact, we have contemporary Greek writers commenting on how weird it was to them that Romans married SO early! Rome was weirdly young! Of the two societies you note as having immature marriage, one of them is indeed Roman elites! My claim was perfectly sensible!

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